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M. C. : Here in city.
L. L. : Was it volunteer?
M. C. : Yes, oh yes, all volunteer. And one of the men on that committee was a business man from
Rainier Beach, I'll never forget him because, he, at that time, had a one man drive against
smoking. And he put a fortune into it. He had cards printed, oh, and he lectured wherever
he could. I'll never forget that man's name. Now I can't remember, but it was something
like Briggs, but that doesn't seem quite right, but it was short like that. And then, I don't
know if I mentioned to you about being on the charting/ plotting board for military training.
In other words, we charted at the county-city building, now that was volunteer work
during World War II. I did that for months at, f, 4 hours in the evening- 8 to 12 o'clock.
Uh, we charted every plane.
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Tape5
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M. C. : [continuing discussion her job charting planes]... above in the, in the, sky, where, wherever
the plane was going. That was a port of the federal survey, safety.
L. L. : Was that volunteer work also?
M. C. : Also, all volunteer. That was a rich experience, a very rich experience.
L. L. : Did you make some good friends during that time?
012 M. C. : Well, I took my friends with me because, uh, this Helen, she was with me. We both went
down to volunteer at the same time. Our husbands had both been gone, or, uh World War
I, uh, and so it was an active thing to do. It was very, I'd had lots of experiences. I
couldn't chart them all; I wouldn't want to list them al). But those are the ones that are
outstanding. I've always done a great deal of volunteer work in some respect. But I do
think the beginning with the Red Cross, making bandages out of old sheets to send to the
front.
024 L. L. : Was that World War I?
M. C. : World War I.
L. L. : How did you get involved with that?
M. C. : Well, because you were offered the opportunity to join the Junior Red Cross, and so we
joined, and that was one of your assignments was to work every week, you spent an hour
or so after school, cutting and wrapping these bandages for use over seas. It works itself
in. It's like volunteering when you're a teacher, of wrapping on doors to see who needed
coupons or to whom they were eligible. And then you stayed after school maybe for 3
hours to register the people that would get coupon books for sugar, for coffee, for shoes,
that too is interesting. Oh, I could go on and on.
L. L. : And you worked with that also?
M. C. : It's all volunteer work, all of it.
L. L. : How did you get involved in all of these volunteer programs?
M. C. : Well, it's the activity of what's going on at that age, and it gives you the urge that
everyone's doing something, and you want to do something too. So, it was evidently very
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useful. You learned doing, you're with your friends because if you do it, they want to do
it, or of they do it, you want to do it. And that's a natural instinct, isn't it? You learn so
much in what you've given. But you don't give anything without learning something got
yourself.
L. L. : During World War I, did you know anyone that was over there fighting?
M. C. : My husband was.
L. L. : Were you married at that time?
M. C. : He joined up when he was 1 7, in high school.
L. L. : So you knew him then?
M. C. : I didn't know him then.
L. L. : But during the war, did you know anyone over there, like while the war was actually going
on?
M. C. : Well, by, uh, by the time it was over with, I knew several people over there, or quite a few.
In other words, uh, the president of the student body was killed after the armistice was
signed because it took so long to get the news out to the front where he was.
L. L. : Was he the same man you were dating?
M. C. : No, no, no, I didn't know him, he was older.
L. L. : How did you feel about the war?
M. C. : War never accomplishes anything. I can't see that it does. Look what happened during
World War I. And how atrocities that took place could ever happen with people not caring
enough to do something about it. That's my concern. Surely, there are other we, wu,
ways to handle it. There must be, than killing each other, what does that bring us? Noting,
in the end. Heartache. It's just like this crime now being committed in Everett [Margaret
is referring to the recent bmtal rape and murder ofRoxanne Dahlia, a 7 year old Everett
child]. I, I, listened to such a good talk this morning on the news, a news commentator.
This young man had been convicted of 6 felonies and 10 crimes. He had served time. Do
we let all this go on until an innocent little girl has to suffer with her life? It's terrible.
Surely, somewhere, and I can't help thinking maybe we don't pray enough because it's a
sad situation when little children have to go through such or, an ordeal. Well, I won't de,
pass my judgment on that, but it's sad, real sad. What are we going to do unless we start
in at the veiy beginning, we'll be like the old Romans and early people did that though
nothing of the person. War doesn't lead to any, anything good. It's, it's a real sad
situation. And we have enough of those calamities with our earthquakes in Japan
[Margaret is referring to the recent massive earthquake in Kobe, Japan] and other places,
and our floods. We should be helping each other, not creating more difficulty. But until
we respect the individual, a person as a person, and each person has a soul if we only tried
to find it. Well,..
L. L. : Did you ever do any, uh, anti-war work?
M. C. : outside war work?
L. L, : no, anti-war work?
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M. C. : No, not 1.1,1 would, I wouldn't be the kind that would get out and do something like that
unless I could offer a substitute, and I don't know what a substitute would be. Do you? I
really don't.
L. L. : What about, um, around the same time, what did you think about the Women's Movement
going on, like the, the SufFragist's Movement?
M. C. : Uh, uh, what going on?
L.L.The, the Suffragist's, uh, movement, like the women's right to vote
Tape 6
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M. C. : Oh, well I think they had a right to vote. Surely. Just like they have a right to work if the
want to. I think we're taking away their individual freedom if we keep it away from them.
But I think we have to learn to be learned people. We have to, uh, be acquainted with
problems and their solutions. And we had to listen to each other. And honesty, to be is
one of the greatest things we can learn, honesty in more ways than one. But those are
some of the attributes that you learn by being a good Christian. Maybe we Ie, uh, maybe
we need to learn to have prayer in the schools. And maybe we need to leam a great deal of
things we're not learning. Surely, the ab, abusiveness of people is one thing we should try
to overcome. Oh, that's it. Now what am I supposed to ask Don to get out there?
end Tape 5. side A
***please note, there is no side B to Tape 5***
M. C. : [Margaret is beginning to discuss her travels]
L. L. : K. What about Austria?
social class Oil M. C. : In Austria, I lived 5 days with an Austrian family. The gentleman of the household was
Czechoslovakia, and the mother was Austrian of, of the peasant class. There were many
things that showed the difference between the 2. He came from a much height class than
she. And that was interesting. He knew a little bit of English, she knew nothing of
English, but getting acquainted with her was very uh, very interesting.
L. L. : What year was that or...
M. C. : [couldn't make out this word] Beg your pardon.
L. L. : What year was that?
M. C. : '66
L.L.: And how did you get involved with going over there?
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M. C. : I went with a group of teachers, a very small group of teachers, and we were, uh, our tour
leader was a professor from, uh, uh Poland. And, uh, uh, she had been there, and taken
many trips before. Usually students however. But this time she took members of Delta
Kappa Gamma because we went to purposefully study the economy, the industry of the
countries that we visited. And of course we're always interested in the schools, so we also
visited many of the schools. It was an opportunity of a lifetime to go in that group.
L. L. : What did you find about the schools?
M.C.: What did I find about...?
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